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And you ain't never lied. But I think the other you have to add, is women don't know how to tap into a man's ego, and still be the Queen. It takes a real woman to make a man feel like he is the king of the world. Once that happens he will give her anything she wants. A man's ego is very sexy if a woman knows how to tap into it.

Women also think a man has to be deserving of whatever she is to give him But he is just by virtue that he is a man. That is the way God ordained it. "a man chooses a wife". Thus women who have a man, and married women have already figured that out.

And I have my career, work 10-12 hour days and still come home and take care of my man. I am very independent, but still clean his house (yes HIS house), will make him a sandwich and bring him a beer, support his dreams, and be the freak he needs.And in return he massages my feet as we watch a movie, and surprises me with all kinds of things.

So why most women talking about there are no good men, how about knowing what it means to be a good woman first and foremost.

And if your reading this and your neck starts rolling, LMAO!! (you already know)

*Not generalizing*

OH God, and then we we "independent women" ask you to do this/do that then we're needy birds that are Golddiggers. I can't understand you men. It's a damn shame that I have to put myself down several notches to have a man. I'm not saying some independent women look down on their man, but I think those chicks are the minority. I see a lot of women date down in order to have somebody to date. Why shouldn't I want a man that's on my level. Men have a lot of options and women don't. I'm not the type that will date down again, so that's leaves me alone but so be it. I can't stand the Bitchassness of some men always complaining. I don't brag about my job/money/what I own b/c tell u the truth men don't need to know all your financial business b/c they've turned into the new golddiggers. If I'm used to spoiling myself b/c "Hey who else will." Why should I accept nothing or lil to nothing from the man I'm dating. There's nothing wrong w/ taking care of yourself. Men should be proud that if they fall , their woman can handle thangs until times get better. Mi rahtid, If I'm a Queen I want a King.
Just b/c a man has chosen you for a wife doesn't men he's chosen for the right reasons. Few tap into religion in choosing a wife. Many men either want a mother for their children or marry the next available woman that they date b/c they want somebody to take care of them. I've seen men who've had the option of marrying several women and they always marry what's easiest. Men now say they want a Michelle Obama, but they're not close to being a Barack. Everybody must evaluate themselves and be better people. Then, we'll have more successful Black Marriages. Anybody can have a wedding, but Everybody can't have a Marriage.

the "independent bitch" myth is nothing more than an urban ideal that's in season right now. rememeber when welfare checks and food stamps were in style? ("wake up, wake up, wake up--it's the first of the monnnnth...") lol.

seriously though, lets break it down real quick. if one proclaims to be "independent", she's stated that she's not seeking a relationship in the first place. last time i checked, being in a partnership would make the both of you "codependent", so wtf?

an "independent" woman is alone, depending on herself for everything in every department and niche of her life. she makes her own money and cops her own shit and fucks herself with the latex dicks she bought in her own house. that's just how it goes, mayne.

get it? that's how the independent chick shall roll until she's not interested in independence anymore and thusly, decides to start depending desperately on each and every XY simulation in the club so she can find some nigga to breed with and have a family before her 42nd birthday...lol. chasing sweet codependence harder than a motherfucker. hating that job. hating her parents because they have kids and shit.

hehe-hehe-how. so let them bitches breathe. who's really stupid enough to search out an individual that wants to be by their gotdamned selves anyway? we should all be real enough within ourselves to know what we like and what we wanna be around at the end of the day.

guys, stop chasing the prototype and genre of person you want and get to know this bitch. you'll never chill with Melly who likes X-box, beer and swallowing if you're still busy trying to pull the stick outta that carbon-copy bitch who (allegedly) likes vintage wine and calamari after looong shopping trips.

girls, stop playing yourselves. you know who you really are, what you really like and what you really want to do. be yourself at all times so you will attract someone like yourself and stop talking that tired bullshit about the dating scene. the only reason we keep running into the same old shit is because people are being the same old fakes...is it really that hard to be yourself these days? try it out and see what person ends up loving the REAL you, not that bitch you want people to think you are.

this has been an X service announcement...lol...deuces.

The perception of the independent women is different, depending on whom you ask. To me an independent women is some1 who is not necessarily looking for a man for financial support, but maybe emotional or otherwise... But getting with a man with a mediocre salary, then throwing it in his face is just being a b@tch, plain and simple. A woman could do that no matter her salary. Especially if the man is the primary moneymaker of the family, and his salary isn't cutting it.

I've had the opposite situation in my relationship. I make more and when I went to him for financial help, he listed the variance of my salary and bills... Being the independent woman that I pride myself to be, it hurt like hell to ask him for help, but when the IRS comes knocking, you'll stand on the corner and beg for change to get them off your back... I'm glad we went through that though, because it showed him that the financial stability wasn't one-sided in our relationship.

But overall, great list. I have to admit though; I fall into the last one of being spoiled. No cooking and cleaning could be added to that one. He does most of the cooking, since I get off work later than him or ever work overtime sometimes… lmao, yeah, I guess I fit into a few. ;-) But he likes to cook, so it all works for us...

You know what i'm really tired of this bullshit, every single man preaches of how he likes independent woman and how he is tired of golddigging bitches, and he wants woman to bring something to the table. Now when it comes to the real business and they get a girl like that, it turns out that they want their house to be clean, food on the table and good head every night. Now we are not in medieval times, chances are we have jobs that don't require hard physical work, so why woman who works 10 hours per day and even after work her cell about to explode she has to come home and do all this stuff, while her man is watching tv. It's just not fair and woman might get tired more than a man, since the more money you're paid the more responsibilities you get. Second if i make more money than my man, it's cool, i'm not gonna stick it in his face every time, but i want him to do efforts to reach the same level, because it's just social issue, it's those nasty conversations at the parties that he is leaching her or she is paying him to be with her etc. For woman it is always an issue, she has to look at the man, respect and adore him for his accomplishments and if she can't than comes all this list above in ur post. I am very independent, but i like to feel that I'm a woman next to my man, and I like him to show his strength, and unfortunately money is the only way to show it in this society. I personally wish that we could get back to times when woman would perfect their womanhood and men their manhood, i really don't think that we have to be independent from each other, i think woman's role is to inspire man to be better, greater, richer etc, but we have to play by rules society puts on us.

I agree some women take their independence to an extreme in how they treat their man and that's unattractive and unacceptable...

No one should be rubbing their higher salary in anyone's face, friends, family and most importantly their mate...that's just classless - but the man "needing to feel superior" I don't get? Does that mean she should feel inferior?

I can understand needing to know or feel like he's a good provider, feeling appreciated, important, needed, respected but why "superior"?

i agree, sometimes a man needs to be a man and squash the bug. period. or hang the mirror etc....women wave their somethings in guys faces all too often and it inevitably makes them feel like less than a man. NOT CUTE!

the situation here[inchicago] is RIDIC! women become the "independent bitch" because they don't have a choice. since they aren't getting chose or humped right they pour their energies into careers or clothes or books and bags and its just sad! because otherwise ideal women are passed up for no other reason but their skin tone they get downright evil! the insecurity they feel is so blatant and apparent and no amout of MAC or bobbrown can conceal it.... i've watched women str8 destroy guys that were seemingly nice catches. all because they didn't have comparable salaries or fit their ideal of what they've earned though their hard work. there's no substitution for hard d-i and bug squashing though. believe me.